On paper, it looks better than last week. However, I don't see a lot of interest in these guys from other schools. Are they questionable players? Do they have the grades to make it at KSU? Like you said, you can't get excited about a class until it performs on the field.
kj33 did play for KU under Valesente and coach for KU under Mason I don't know him personally but I know other slanters who've talked to him.
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Tim Fitzgerald this morning on 810whb "Simmons (Andre) is committed to Colorado but he can't make in there so he is probably going to come to KSU". Keep telling yourself KSU juco standards are up with everybody elses.
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Originally posted by GChawk: Tim Fitzgerald this morning on 810whb "Simmons (Andre) is committed to Colorado but he can't make in there so he is probably going to come to KSU". Keep telling yourself KSU juco standards are up with everybody elses.
Colorado has substantially higher Juco admission standards than either Kansas or Kansas State. Furthermore, KU and KSU are both at an advantage for Simmons because of his in-state status.
I know KU dropped off of Simmons a long time ago because he was a qualifying risk. Don't think that if he qualifies at K-State that he wouldn't have qualified at KU. Also, don't think that if KU hadn't rec'd commitments from a couple of the WRs they have, that attempting to get back in the game for Simmons wouldn't have happened.
The funniest part about your post is KU's Juco admissions are SUBSTANTIALLY closer to K-State's than Colorado's. So, to be consistent, just substitute KU for KSU in you second sentence if you truly believe what you wrote.
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this thread proves it, buy lo knows everything about everything and he isn't afraid to say it, just afraid to say how he knows it. You are so full of it twerp.
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Originally posted by GChawk: this thread proves it, buy lo knows everything about everything and he isn't afraid to say it, just afraid to say how he knows it. You are so full of it twerp.
Solid work on the name calling! Always a great way to prove a point . Obviously, I have gotten under your skin....
Anyway, all I have done on this thread is stated my position and backed it up....nothing different than anyone else. Sorry that is hard for you to accept.
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oh you always back it up, you have a source for everything, doesn't matter the topic you just have a source for it, always somebody you know, you must know everybody... in the world... throughout history
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Latest Proof that KSU has lower JUCO standards - Andre Simmons - Was recruited by KU but dropped because he wouldnt have qualified, commited to Colorado and once again wouldnt have qualified. Somehow how hes going to get into KSU though....?
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Heh. This thread is funny.
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Lamur was nowhere near the top of ku's list. Maybe joe bob is spinning bullshit to people, I don't know.
Ferguson tried to commit to ku in the summer and he got told no.
The ksu class will be hard to call succesful because it needs to address so many needs.
Ku fans are now realizing why ksu fans laughed when ku hired joe bob. Bowen has been more successful in the cali jucos in a much shorter period if time.
Yet another reason this whole conversation has gone way off the deep end. KSU certainly has some specific needs that are a priority unique to KSU. For example 3x3 Juco guys fit very well in to what KSU needs and wouldn't be much of a fit at KU. So, while a 3x3 that may be able to contribute immediately in the secondary would be extremely attractive to KSU, it wouldn't at all to KU.
I rest my case with anyone that knows anything about recruiting knows the initial statement made that started this conversation "K-State is not at a place (right now) where they are getting recruits that turn down KU or MU,etc." is just dumb.
No one is arguing that KU has had more recent success than between the two schools. It isn't up for arguement that in 2004, the disparity between recent success was vastly in favor of KSU. Yet, there were several players in 2005 that chose KU over KSU. And, at that point, the disparity level was an absolute massive KSU lean. Kerry Meier is a fine example, too. KSU showed interest early on. aTm showed interest early on. KU showed interest early on. Even though, program wise, KSU was in far better position than the other two, KM wanted to carve his own way outside of the shadows of his brothers. So, KSU and Meier 'parted ways'. No big deal. Happens all the time. I can't believe I am still in on this topic because the initial statement that started all of this was so ludicrous to begin with.
Back to your point, I think KSU's class can be successful. I think what makes it successful needs to be benchmarked based on all the factors at hand including new staff, transition still taking place until signing day (when the 9th coach will be announced), need to minimize the effect of off-balance class size, etc. When all of those are taken under consideration, I think KSU still has the ability to end up with a nice class. I expect next weekend to be another big one.
Will be interesting to see how it ends up ranked by Rivals. At one point, I tried to figure out how Rivals comes up with their rankings and gave up. It makes zero sense and puts way too much emphasis on the # of recruits. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how it lines up when KSU is sitting at 20 or so in the system and getting K-State more on par, numbers wise, with the rest of the schools.
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Tanner Poppe is going to play baseball at KU isnt he?
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paging BuyHi. PAGING BUYHI. I sure hope he's not still trying to figure out what to type.......... This kind of reminds me of when Sammy Sosa knew he was screwed at the steroid hearings and he suddenly forgot how to speak english.
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I think he's busy watching the Frank Martin follies.
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David Batts: NC State, Arizona Bumpas: Prince recruit w/ offers from CSU and New Mexico Troy But: Iowa State Callender: Louisville, Pittsburg, West Virginia Ferguson: KU, CU, Arizona, many more John Hubert: a whole bunch of smaller D1 schools (my personal favoritefor being a diamond in the rough based on his videos) Lamur: Ohio and KU hadn't offered, but he is believed to have been high on the board Lucas: Snyder was recruiting before he took the job. I will defer to his eye for talent McDonald: Tulsa Miller: La Tech Thompson: Miami (Florida, not Ohio), CSU
A couple of good grayshirt prospects and this is all in the last 2 months w/o the year + jump other coaches have. It isn't USC's class, but it never will be at KSU. It does look a lot like classes from 10 years ago. Again, I'm not huge on rankings...not that they don't matter, they do, but bball stars mean 5 times as much as football.
And, as for grades, most of the recruits have GPA's in the 3's. We shall see, but I think KSU fans should be pleased based on the circumstances. In many updates, players are talking about how they want to play for Snyder and how sitting down with him one on one sealed the deal.
My point in that post is that I heard the same two reasons for why KSU wouldn't succeed with the (re)hire of Snyder. And, my point is so far KSU is looking pretty good on both accounts.
On another note, KSU is running the 4-2-5 next year w/ 3 safeties. Will be interesting to see KSU's approach to the spread.
Posted on 1/19 10:24 PM | IP: Logged
So apparently we're slow playing Lamur by not having him in on a visit or even extending an offer? I'm going to start calling our head coach Mark "Moneymaker" Mangino
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Ferguson was a plan C guy for us and hasn't had an offer on the board from us for probably three months.
Regarding Thompson, do you really expect us to believe that he turned down a legit offer from Miami (FL) to come to K-State? I really can't believe you're out there beating your chest about the current KSU class. Please identify for us which of your recruits you think KU, Mizzou, Neb or Colorado would take right now.
This post was edited on 1/20 9:09 AM by Hearsh
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First, I'm not beating my chest about the class. I am saying it is a nice class for a transition year especially considering where it stood a couple of weeks ago. I think it was around #100 on the Rivals rankings a few days ago (I don't put a ton of stock in that, but for the sake of conversation...) and is now ~60. I would expect it to end up around 45-55 and not terribly far behind the MU and KU classes which will likely be in the 25-35 range.
I don't follow other team's recruiting enough to say who would fit in other places. I think it is safe to say a few of KSU's recruits would fit in nicely at those other schools. And, according to the Rivals database, Thompson does have an offer from Miami.
Anyway, congratulations again at taking whatever I say and twisting it in to an arguement based on what you want it to say for the sake of said argement. Your inability to look at anything with the slightest of objectivity shines through yet again.
With all of that said, I don't get too bogged down w/ recruiting classes. As I have said multiple times, some of KSU's "best" recruiting classes turned out to be the worst and some of KSU's worst recruiting classes turned out to be the best. On paper, 2002 was probably KSU's best recruiting classes. The 4 and 5-star guys barely contributed and the 2 3-star guys along with Jordy Nelson, the walk-on, are playing on Sundays and were huge KSU contributors.
Also, you sound like a typical NU fan arguing recruiting classes. For a KU fan to be doing so is just goofy. Look at KU's 2002 and 2004 classes that really turend KU around. They were bottom of the barrel in the Big 12 at first glance. But, that doesn't fit your anti-KSU agenda.
Posted on 1/20 9:54 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat: I say and twisting it in to an arguement
BuyHi- Arguement??
Hopefully the third try is a charm attempting to spell that difficult word
Posted on 1/20 1:45 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat: based on what you want it to say for the sake of said argement.FONT>
BuyHi- What's an argement?
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Originally posted by BFerr:
Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat: based on what you want it to say for the sake of said argement.FONT>
BuyHi- What's an argement?
It's 'arguement' without the 'u'. I'm sure your grammar policing is appreciated by everyone. While on the subject of misspellings, your lame and tired BuyHi wasn't funny the first time nor the 1,842nd.
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BuyHi- I just want to be the police of something. You're the comedy police, the KSU is still relevant police, the Keithen Valentine is going to be a stud RB police (circa 2008), and the talent levels at both schools are pretty equal police. Can I just have the grammar police title?
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Originally posted by BFerr: BuyHi- the Keithen Valentine is going to be a stud RB police (circa 2008)
I'd forgotten about that one, pretty funny in retrospect.
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Originally posted by GChawk:
Originally posted by BFerr: BuyHi- the Keithen Valentine is going to be a stud RB police (circa 2008)
I'd forgotten about that one, pretty funny in retrospect.
BFerr has brought that up multiple times which is stupid because:
a. I never said it b. I said KV had the potential to be a serviceable running back c. I still think KV has the potential to be a serviceable running back, but we were never able to find that out because he got benched last year by Ron Prince after failing in a situation in which he had no chance to succeed.
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BuyHiMunson- You were the one chirping about KU losing their 4th and 5th string RB's when you had Keithen Valentine as the starter. Then when I pointed out that KSU wasn't in the best situation RB wise you laughed it off and acted as if we were in the same position regarding that position. I found that funny considering we had an almost 1,000 yd back coming back compared to KSU having a walk-on that had never carried the football. If that's your definition of close I guess I can see why you think the talent level at KU and KSU is so close.
Posted on 1/20 5:45 PM | IP: Logged
We should keep bumping this jerkoff's posts because about 95% of the time he is dead wrong. He's a real MUNSON
Posted on 1/20 4:19 PM | IP: Logged
He's fun ,he referenced a guy from six years ago.(Andrew Bulman) Not sure who's point he was trying to make?
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Originally posted by bluechipp: He's fun ,he referenced a guy from six years ago.(Andrew Bulman) Not sure who's point he was trying to make?
Obviously, reading comprehension isn't your stong suit. The initial arguement was that KSU couldn't get a player right now with offers from MU, KU, etc. I replied that to be false because recruits have all sorts of different reasons for going to schools. Then, I pointed to two specific examples from 5 or 6 years ago on purpose. This was at a time when KSU was riding high, but not as high as say Rose Bowl Champion USC or National Champion Ohio State. Yet, KSU got recruits that were heavily recruited and offered by those two schools. Thus, a program's status isn't the end all be all in recruiting, proving my point that the initial arguement was not a very good one. If the intial arguement were true, KSU wouldn't have had a chance with some of the recruits that were landed. I also stated that in 2002, KSU was light years ahead of KU yet there were recruits that chose KU over KSU because it met their objectives better. Obviously, program status wasn't one of them.
Do you get the point now? I don't know how to explain it any more simplistic than I just did.
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BuyHi- Can you please address Lamur being REALLY high on KU's board, yet we never offered him. That holds as much substance as me saying I'm high on the Chiefs list at Head Coach, but I just haven't received an offer yet
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Originally posted by BFerr: BuyHi- Can you please address Lamur being REALLY high on KU's board, yet we never offered him. That holds as much substance as me saying I'm high on the Chiefs list at Head Coach, but I just haven't received an offer yet
Just going by what someone who follows KU recruiting very closely has stated. So, I guess ultimately it is one person's opinion, but a person's opinion who is usually right on about KU athletics.
KU isn't going to offer a KSU commit. In fact, MM (and KU Rivals admins) have, in the past, pulled and/or denied offers to KSU commits. I couldn't care less--happens all the time in college athletics. But, just because Rivals says KU didn't offer doesn't mean they didn't or didn't want to. There are two specific cases I know of in the last few years where a player committed to another school and either KU and/or this site changed the database as if there was no offer when, in fact, there was or had been.
I'm not saying that every other Rivals site doens't do this either. Truthfully, I don't know. The only reason I mentioned what I did is because I know if to be fact (family friends w/ the recruit's parents). My point is not to point fingers, but to reiterate that just because Rivals says there is no offer doesn't mean there hasn't been or isn't one on the table.
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Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
Originally posted by BFerr: BuyHi- Can you please address Lamur being REALLY high on KU's board, yet we never offered him. That holds as much substance as me saying I'm high on the Chiefs list at Head Coach, but I just haven't received an offer yet
Just going by what someone who follows KU recruiting very closely has stated. So, I guess ultimately it is one person's opinion, but a person's opinion who is usually right on about KU athletics.
KU isn't going to offer a KSU commit. In fact, MM (and KU Rivals admins) have, in the past, pulled and/or denied offers to KSU commits. I couldn't care less--happens all the time in college athletics. But, just because Rivals says KU didn't offer doesn't mean they didn't or didn't want to. There are two specific cases I know of in the last few years where a player committed to another school and either KU and/or this site changed the database as if there was no offer when, in fact, there was or had been.
I'm not saying that every other Rivals site doens't do this either. Truthfully, I don't know. The only reason I mentioned what I did is because I know if to be fact (family friends w/ the recruit's parents). My point is not to point fingers, but to reiterate that just because Rivals says there is no offer doesn't mean there hasn't been or isn't one on the table.
KU hasn't been on Lamur for months and when they were it wasn't much interest, he can play abit but we've obviously had alot of guys alot higher on our board.
Name these guys that the KU rivals guys pulled listed offers from.
Here is an easy one Todd Reesing, had a KSU offer, a KU poster pointed out on cat chat that Reesing turned down KSU for KU and the next day Reesing's offer KSU offer was gone from the database. So name the players that Kirby apparently pulled the old switcharoo on.
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Originally posted by GChawk:
Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
Originally posted by BFerr: BuyHi- Can you please address Lamur being REALLY high on KU's board, yet we never offered him. That holds as much substance as me saying I'm high on the Chiefs list at Head Coach, but I just haven't received an offer yet
Just going by what someone who follows KU recruiting very closely has stated. So, I guess ultimately it is one person's opinion, but a person's opinion who is usually right on about KU athletics.
KU isn't going to offer a KSU commit. In fact, MM (and KU Rivals admins) have, in the past, pulled and/or denied offers to KSU commits. I couldn't care less--happens all the time in college athletics. But, just because Rivals says KU didn't offer doesn't mean they didn't or didn't want to. There are two specific cases I know of in the last few years where a player committed to another school and either KU and/or this site changed the database as if there was no offer when, in fact, there was or had been.
I'm not saying that every other Rivals site doens't do this either. Truthfully, I don't know. The only reason I mentioned what I did is because I know if to be fact (family friends w/ the recruit's parents). My point is not to point fingers, but to reiterate that just because Rivals says there is no offer doesn't mean there hasn't been or isn't one on the table.
KU hasn't been on Lamur for months and when they were it wasn't much interest, he can play abit but we've obviously had alot of guys alot higher on our board.
Name these guys that the KU rivals guys pulled listed offers from.
Here is an easy one Todd Reesing, had a KSU offer, a KU poster pointed out on cat chat that Reesing turned down KSU for KU and the next day Reesing's offer KSU offer was gone from the database. So name the players that Kirby apparently pulled the old switcharoo on.
I have no idea nor do I care. We all know that school sites are vying for their fans and that there is opinion inserted in to almost everything that comes out from a Rivals site. I said that happens every where and certainly wasn't excluding KSU. It has happened on this site. I don't doubt it happened with Todd Reesing and GPC.
The only reason I brought it up is to reiterate the point that just because Rivals says so doesn't mean it is.
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Here is a cat prediction to remember:
catalop Post #244 MyFanPage Add Buddy Re: An honest question for the KU, NU, etc. Reply
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question: How long do you think KU's rise to glory is going to last? Mangino is how old? I don't suppose it really matters because physically and health wise, he is much older than Bill Snyder. If someone stuck the poor guy with a pen, he would go fluttering across the sky. All of this is pure speculation, but my money says we will be competitive with KU by the start of next fall with Bill at the helm.
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Man, that list of KSU commits and heavy leans that had KU offers must be quite extensive if you're still in the process of compiling it. Either that or you didn't like what you found.
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This has to be a monster list!!!! I'm on the edge of my seat!!
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Not trying to avoid any list. Haven't been on in day or two. First and foremost, comparing classes when one staff has been working on said class in excess of 12 months and the other has been working on for less than 12 weeks....it's dumb.
My statement that there a recruits that are a KSU lean over KU, MU, etc. is true. Here are a few (nevermind that it is well documented that the intitial statement is stupid in and of itself) but here is this list that everyone seems to think proves some statement that was ridiculous to begin with:
1. At one point, Cobi Hamilton was very high on KSU and KU. At one point, he said "KU and KSU are tied right now". His interest in KU waned and remained with KSU. Looks like he will end up at UT or Arkansas.
2. Tanner Poppe seems to be looking closely at KU and KSU.
3. Keenan Taylor committed to KSU early on even when KU was trying to get him for a visit.
4. Both schools are vying for William Lawson.
5. Ditto for Caleb Evans.
6. Brandon Driver
Now, I'm sure anyone can go through and point to their uncle's friend that lives next door to Brandon Driver's high school math teacher, etc.
I never made any other point than to say the statement "KSU isn't in a position to get recruits with offers from KU and MU" is false. I have stated a number of reasons why that is the case. Anyone with half a brain and an ounce of sense regarding recruiting understands that. In less than 10 minutes, I put together a list of multiple people that both have interest in both schools. We will see on signing day where they go.
This is a stupid arguement and those that are hung up on this list don't know much about recruiting or aren't smart or both.
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SwingtooHighSwingtooLowCat- Was that a serious list?
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Please don't compare BuyHi's 0-6 with tony pena jr.. TPJ would have closed his eyes and picked a random name and gotten 1 guy right.
Comparing classes considering our recent success, your recent atrociousness, and the lack of time Snyder has had to recruit may be "dumb", but YOU are the one that decided to spew, "KSU has multiple recruits this year w/ offers from Kansas that are either committed to KSU or are a KSU lean."
Hamilton - He isn't considering either school at this point. How does that make him a KSU lean or commitment?
Poppe - Will be playing a different sport at KANSAS.
Kennan Taylor - There are many kids brought in for visits in the fall that don't receive offers. Taylor was one of those.
Lawson - Not a KSU lean or commit and has spoken much higher of KU in recent articles.
Evans - I've never heard of him, so I doubt he's in the picture for us at this point. Besides, I don't see anything indicating he's a lean to KSU.
Brandon Driver- KSU is the ONLY school listed that he has LOW interest in.
So, wow, you outdid yourself and went ZERO for six. Congrats. You're the Tony Pena Jr. of Rivals. Can we start calling you SwingtooHighSwingtooLowCat? BFerr was way too generous with 95%. Maybe you should consider admiting you were talking out your a$$....again.
This post was edited on 1/22 9:52 AM by Hearsh
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Lawson is not likely to qualify if he was neither of us would have a good shot. KU football hasn't been on Poppe for a loooong time, he is either going to play baseball in college or in the minors.
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Brandon Driver - somebody help me is it this kid or his teammate that everybody backed off of due to a knee injury at the end of his season? I know we really liked one of the corners from that school but he got hurt. Our top choice as a junior college corner picked Arizona our second choice picked KU we haven't been on alot of corners since. Bryan Cisler has indicated that we might use one of the remaining scholarships on a juco cb but that is if we miss out on a juco DE a juco OL or a best available highschooler. IOW juco corners aren't our recruiting focus right now.
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Driver blew his knee out in his last game. Ku dropped him.
Caleb evans had a neck or back injury before his season started. Ku dropped him.
Hamilton was headed to arkansas until ut offered.
Lawson will go to juco or whatever school can het him into school. He has no chance of coming to ku straight out of high school.
Tanner poppe had ku football quit calling over the summer. Ksu kept calling. He is playing baseball at ku or in the minor leagues.
Originally posted by BFerr: BuyHi- Can you please address Lamur being REALLY high on KU's board, yet we never offered him. That holds as much substance as me saying I'm high on the Chiefs list at Head Coach, but I just haven't received an offer yet
Just going by what someone who follows KU recruiting very closely has stated. So, I guess ultimately it is one person's opinion, but a person's opinion who is usually right on about KU athletics.
KU isn't going to offer a KSU commit. In fact, MM (and KU Rivals admins) have, in the past, pulled and/or denied offers to KSU commits. I couldn't care less--happens all the time in college athletics. But, just because Rivals says KU didn't offer doesn't mean they didn't or didn't want to. There are two specific cases I know of in the last few years where a player committed to another school and either KU and/or this site changed the database as if there was no offer when, in fact, there was or had been.
I'm not saying that every other Rivals site doens't do this either. Truthfully, I don't know. The only reason I mentioned what I did is because I know if to be fact (family friends w/ the recruit's parents). My point is not to point fingers, but to reiterate that just because Rivals says there is no offer doesn't mean there hasn't been or isn't one on the table.
sounds like a conspiracy to keep KSU down!!!!
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Double post
This post was edited on 1/20 3:32 PM by BuyLoSellHiCat
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I think Hearsh was trying to point out there are contingent offers. KU got a stud running back this year with a lot of good offers, one was Florida. I doubt he was Florida's top RB on the board. I would guess he was Florida's 4th RB and they were taking maybe two? K-State is not at a place (right now) where they are getting recruits that turn down KU or MU,etc.
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Originally posted by bluechipp: K-State is not at a place (right now) where they are getting recruits that turn down KU or MU,etc.
While KU and MU are on more solid footing right now than KSU, you are crazy if you think that said footing will necessarily deter recruits from KSU vs. KU, MU, etc.
If that was the case, why did KSU get some big time recruits with more big time offers? For instance, Bullman turned down Ohio State for KSU. Marvin Simmons turned down USC for KSU. Same for thing happens at any other school. Recruits choose a schools for a variety of reasons including it being close to home, it being far away from home, because their brother went there, because their brother doesn't go there, assistant coaches, facilities, chance to play early, chance to learn under an established player, and on and on and on.
Right or wrong (and a completely separate topic that I don't want to dive in to) I know a player was offered by KU and declined it because he and his family didn't want him to play for an obese coach. To them, it showed lack of discipline. Ron Prince got recruits because he was black. Ron Prince missed on recruits because he was black.
KSU has multiple recruits this year w/ offers from Kansas that are either committed to KSU or are a KSU lean. Likewise, in the early 2000's, KU got some commits that had offers from KSU when KSU was much more substantially ahead of KU than KU is ahead of KSU now.
You either don't understand recruiting, can't see through your own bias, or both if you actually believe the words you wrote quoted above.
This post was edited on 1/20 12:05 PM by BuyLoSellHiCat
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Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
Originally posted by bluechipp: K-State is not at a place (right now) where they are getting recruits that turn down KU or MU,etc.
While KU and MU are on more solid footing right now than KSU, you are crazy if you think that said footing will necessarily deter recruits from KSU vs. KU, MU, etc.
If that was the case, why did KSU get some big time recruits with more big time offers? For instance, Bullman turned down Ohio State for KSU. Marvin Simmons turned down USC for KSU.
This post was edited on 1/20 12:05 PM by BuyLoSellHiCat
Seemed pretty obvious that he was talking about right now and not what happened several years ago
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Originally posted by GChawk:
Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
Originally posted by bluechipp: K-State is not at a place (right now) where they are getting recruits that turn down KU or MU,etc.
While KU and MU are on more solid footing right now than KSU, you are crazy if you think that said footing will necessarily deter recruits from KSU vs. KU, MU, etc.
If that was the case, why did KSU get some big time recruits with more big time offers? For instance, Bullman turned down Ohio State for KSU. Marvin Simmons turned down USC for KSU.
This post was edited on 1/20 12:05 PM by BuyLoSellHiCat
Seemed pretty obvious that he was talking about right now and not what happened several years ago
Seems pretty obvious I was saying KSU never was on OSU or USC's perceived level as a program and that KSU was getting commitments from guys at the top of their board. It further reiterates my point that "state of the program" is one of a long list of factors and it matters a lot to some and not at all to others. To say KSU can't get recruits that would have offers from MU and KU is stupid. With that logic the same could have been said of OSU and KSU 5 years ago. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now.
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