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The defections of Deon Murphy and Edward Prince hammers home a point we on this board were making when comparing the KU and KSU rosters. Its not the only reason we thought KU had a superior roster. But we frequently made the argument that Ron Prince was forced to get kids with questionable charachter in order to bring Big 12 caliber talent to KSU. Even though they were talented Murphy and Prince weren't willing to give enough effort to survive in a real program. Rumor has it more defections will occur before fall camp because there are a few others who aren't responding to the new work ethic. A talented roster isn't just about athletic ability, kids have to be willing to put out the effort too.



Posted on 3/29 3:50 PM | IP: Logged

uh oh.....GChawk haven't you learned your lesson yet? BuyLo is going to come on here and use big words and make you and anyone else who challenges him look silly. I've got nothing against you GCHawk, but don't expect me to back you up in this battle



Posted on 3/29 4:29 PM | IP: Logged

The irony is thick you raise this topic a couple of days after KU had to suspend 2 players for Spring practice.

I'm not completely disagreeing with your sentiments. I do think there is some truth to them, but a mere fraction as to what you make them out to be. Every D1 program has troubled players (KU more than most in recent years...Randle, etc.)

If you can point to any coaching changes where there aren't a few defections, I'd love to hear them. That is the nature of a coaching change.

Many of your posts bring up interesting points, but this one looks like you made a conclusion and then went grasping for something to back up your thought.



Posted on 3/29 9:10 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
The irony is thick you raise this topic a couple of days after KU had to suspend 2 players for Spring practice.

I'm not completely disagreeing with your sentiments. I do think there is some truth to them, but a mere fraction as to what you make them out to be. Every D1 program has troubled players (KU more than most in recent years...Randle, etc.)

If you can point to any coaching changes where there aren't a few defections, I'd love to hear them. That is the nature of a coaching change.

Many of your posts bring up interesting points, but this one looks like you made a conclusion and then went grasping for something to back up your thought.

Actually, in recent years, KU's players have been very clean off the court. The big man's been recruiting some high character kids the last 3 or 4 years with very few off the field incidents since Randle. It depends on how far you go back for "recent years" because you could go back a year or two before Randle to get the "Summer from Hell" in Manhattan where several off the field incidents happened back to back to back.



Posted on 3/29 9:40 PM | IP: Logged

There were a couple of valid incidents from the "summer from hell" but of the ~10 incidents, 8 related to not renewing a driver's license and things of that nature.

But, Turin, we both know the initial arguement is a goofy one. You could get 85 college-aged males at the computer lab on a Saturday night at 10pm and there are going to be those with some checkered pasts and issues. Some players that seem like choir boys during recruiting turn out to be nightmares and vice versa.

The notion that, the reason Murphy was booted (nevermind the fact he was in and out of the dog house from day one and this isn't a Prince vs Snyder issue as GChawk implied), stems back to Prince going after low character guys and presumably Mangino and Snyder not doing so is ridiculous.



Posted on 3/29 10:58 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
There were a couple of valid incidents from the "summer from hell" but of the ~10 incidents, 8 related to not renewing a driver's license and things of that nature.

But, Turin, we both know the initial arguement is a goofy one. You could get 85 college-aged males at the computer lab on a Saturday night at 10pm and there are going to be those with some checkered pasts and issues. Some players that seem like choir boys during recruiting turn out to be nightmares and vice versa.

The notion that, the reason Murphy was booted (nevermind the fact he was in and out of the dog house from day one and this isn't a Prince vs Snyder issue as GChawk implied), stems back to Prince going after low character guys and presumably Mangino and Snyder not doing so is ridiculous.



I do agree that there will be these issues, especially with a coaching change.

However, I also think that if you rely on a large amount of JUCO transfers, the likelihood of such attitudes is going to increase. Nothing wrong with going the JUCO route, but those players do seem to bring more baggage with them ON THE AVERAGE than other players.



Posted on 3/29 11:47 PM | IP: Logged

buylo, I wasn't taking a shot at you, don't get so defensive. I did rehash the argument several of us made that Prince took too many chances. It isn't that the players were doing so much off the field that might get them suspended. The point was they didn't have the work ethic to make it in a real program. You told us consistently we would be happy to have Murphy at wideout, the truth was he would've been booted from our program a long time ago. The point all along was that several of the highly rated guys Prince brought in, he only got because nobody else wanted to deal with the baggage.

This post was edited on 3/31 1:47 PM by GChawk



Posted on 3/30 8:35 AM | IP: Logged

getting rid of Kinsey and his crowd was helpful to KU. maybe the same could be said at KSU getting rid of these guys.



Posted on 3/30 8:51 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Charlie Marlow:
getting rid of Kinsey and his crowd was helpful to KU. maybe the same could be said at KSU getting rid of these guys.


Agreed Kinsey, Ivey and Duncan were the first to go and probably the best players on the team.



Posted on 3/30 9:13 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Charlie Marlow:
getting rid of Kinsey and his crowd was helpful to KU. maybe the same could be said at KSU getting rid of these guys.


I do know one of KSU's players, one that would be considered a "team leader", said good riddance to Murphy's departure. I think he had a little T.O. to him.

More often than not, I think a player leaving helps a team. I think the departure of Kinsey and Randle likely helped KU in the long run. I don't see there being that much difference here.



Posted on 3/30 11:37 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by GChawk:
buylo, I wasn't taking a shot at you, don't get so defensive. I did rehash the argument several of us made that Prince took to many chances. It isn't that the players were doing so much off the field that might get them suspended. The point was they didn't have the work ethic to make it a real program. You told us consistently we would be happy to have Murphy at wideout, the truth was he would've been booted from our program a long time ago. The point all along was that several of the highly rated guys Prince brought in, he only got because nobody else wanted to deal with the baggage.


Geez GChawk, you clearly don't know when to quit. If you keep coming back at Buylo, he's going to put the clown suit on you. You should be running for the hills



Posted on 3/30 11:37 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:

Originally posted by Charlie Marlow:
getting rid of Kinsey and his crowd was helpful to KU. maybe the same could be said at KSU getting rid of these guys.


I do know one of KSU's players, one that would be considered a "team leader", said good riddance to Murphy's departure. I think he had a little T.O. to him.

More often than not, I think a player leaving helps a team. I think the departure of Kinsey and Randle likely helped KU in the long run. I don't see there being that much difference here.



1) Comparing suspensions during spring drills to leaving the team is ridiculous. As you have said every program has discipline issues of varying degrees. The difference in this case is that in all likelihood KU's players will be on the field this fall and KSU's will not.

2) The OP post wasn't directed at the long term benefits/drawbacks of such a policy, but to rehash the relative talent levels of the two programs right now. As was pointed out in the original thread by some, many of the places where you felt KSU and KU were equal in talent would probably be hurt due to attrition due to the recruiting practices of Ron Prince. The same thing happened with the transition from TA to Mangino, because of the the way TA ran his program.

Going back to the original point of this thread and the previous one. The current talent gap between KU and KSU is only increasing. IMO this is just another sign that the state of KSU program is much closer to what KU fans have been saying than what KSU fans have been saying. KSU has a big hill to climb and even in a perfect world is probably several years away from even being competitive week in and week out rather than the 1-2 that many KSU fan's seem to think.



Posted on 3/30 1:36 PM | IP: Logged

It's not impossible for K-State to climb out of the cellar but, it will probably be five years before they compete for recruits with KU and seven years before they compete on the field.

Posted on 3/30 2:04 PM | IP: Logged

Nas Jayhawk- GChawk must be a stronger man than me. I mean I couldn't take the abuse from BuyHighSellLo. First you argue about something. Then you usually win, so he resorts to personal attacks. Then when that fails and he's 0 for the year on predictions he acts like you're not even there and ignores you.

I love watching this jerkoff keep digging himself bigger holes on this board. You better run back to gopowercat where you can actually fool some people.



Originally posted by Jayhawk NAS:




Originally posted by GChawk:
buylo, I wasn't taking a shot at you, don't get so defensive. I did rehash the argument several of us made that Prince took to many chances. It isn't that the players were doing so much off the field that might get them suspended. The point was they didn't have the work ethic to make it a real program. You told us consistently we would be happy to have Murphy at wideout, the truth was he would've been booted from our program a long time ago. The point all along was that several of the highly rated guys Prince brought in, he only got because nobody else wanted to deal with the baggage.




Geez GChawk, you clearly don't know when to quit. If you keep coming back at Buylo, he's going to put the clown suit on you. You should be running for the hills





Posted on 3/30 3:34 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by bluechipp:
It's not impossible for K-State to climb out of the cellar but, it will probably be five years before they compete for recruits with KU and seven years before they compete on the field.


You guys are comical. It doesn't take that long to "compete for recruits" nor does it necessarily take nearly that long before "they compete on the field". Have you not paid any attention to what has happened over the last few years?

The gap between KSU and KU was much more substantial in 2002 and 2003 than it is today. In 2002, KSU was 7 points away from competing for the MNC and in 2003 was seemingly an Ell Roberson injury away from competing for the MNC. In 2002, KU was 2-10 (0-8) with wins over SW Missouri State and a horrendous 1-11 Tulsa team. KSU was a top 15 team and KU was a bottom 15 team. The 2003 KU team wasn't terrible and got a nice win over MU.

2-3 years later, in 2005, KSU and KU were comparable teams. By 2007, there was obviously a big gap. My point is your notion that it will take 5 years to climb out and 7 years to compete with KU is laughable.



Posted on 3/30 3:47 PM | IP: Logged

Gulp.. Have to agree with buylo on that one. IMO its not what KSU will try and put on the field to catch and glose the perverbial gap its the outside factors that act as enablers to sustain the lessening of said gap.

For example:
- facilities war
- liquidity of the AD
- new presidente's stance on marginals or aca risks... Will the rubber stamp be there after hours for those types of kids.

Many more that factor in. The same could be said really for any program but right now IMO there are 2 gaps for any program to deal:

(1) Talent both on field and staff
(2) P&L and the facilities war

Both are escalating at a much more pronounced and rapid pace than any of us have ever seen.

if I'm a KSU fan or fan of any other school including KU for that matter the concerns are generally the same.

Posted from wireless.rivals.com



Posted on 3/30 4:10 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:

Originally posted by bluechipp:
It's not impossible for K-State to climb out of the cellar but, it will probably be five years before they compete for recruits with KU and seven years before they compete on the field.


You guys are comical. It doesn't take that long to "compete for recruits" nor does it necessarily take nearly that long before "they compete on the field". Have you not paid any attention to what has happened over the last few years?

The gap between KSU and KU was much more substantial in 2002 and 2003 than it is today. In 2002, KSU was 7 points away from competing for the MNC and in 2003 was seemingly an Ell Roberson injury away from competing for the MNC. In 2002, KU was 2-10 (0-8) with wins over SW Missouri State and a horrendous 1-11 Tulsa team. KSU was a top 15 team and KU was a bottom 15 team. The 2003 KU team wasn't terrible and got a nice win over MU.

2-3 years later, in 2005, KSU and KU were comparable teams. By 2007, there was obviously a big gap. My point is your notion that it will take 5 years to climb out and 7 years to compete with KU is laughable.



For your analogy to have any validity you would have to assume that KU is declining the way that KSU's was when KU was ascending. To use a physics analogy, two cars headed toward each other at 50 mph will meet and pass each other much quicker than one car driving 50 mph being followed by a car driving 60 mph. I have seen nothing that would show that KU is in the steep decline that KSU was after '03.

Also you have to also take into account that the Big 12 north basically all recruits against each other for talent so it will be that much more difficult to get significantly better recruits unless other teams start to decline. When Mangino took over KSU, Nebraska, and Colorado were all about to take significant steps back. To varying extents, MU, KU, and ISU were making steps forward. Right now Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, and KU all seem to be improving, while KSU and ISU have hit on hard times. For KSU to make up some serious ground in a short amount of time they probably two of NU, MU, KU, and Colorado to take significant steps back, while one stays about the same (the other team could become dominant and it might not hurt KSU for awhile) as well as ISU continuing it's downward trend. In Snyder's first run he was able to take advantage of getting 2nd tier recruits in Texas and Florida, the best JUCO's, and most all of the talent in the state of Kansas (including getting many to walk-on). Now with the emergence of TT, Baylor, OSU, TCU, and (maybe SMU with June Jones) the recruits in Texas will be more scarce. The same is true in Florida with USF, UCF, etc. Many more teams are recruiting JUCO's so now KSU is relegated to just getting the kids that no one else could get in. Finally, KU is landing the majority of in-state kids, and the elite prospects of the state are now being recruited nationally. KSU is also behind in facilities, and with the current economic situation it may be very difficult to get significant upgrades in the near future. So the question becomes...where will KSU be able to come up with the talent necessary to make this quick turn around and compete in less than 5 years?



Posted on 3/30 5:04 PM | IP: Logged

I was waiting for the "momentum" counter arguement. It is a fact that none of us knew what the momentum was in 2002 or 2004 or 2006. That can only be known after the fact. Anything prior is speculation, no matter how educated the speculation might be.

It isn't worth nitpicking over this because you aren't changing my mind and I'm not changing yours. A few quick points:

Sure, there are things different now than there was then that are working against a rebuild now. But, there were things then that didn't exist now. For example, in KSU's 7 conference games each year during the early 90's rebuild, KSU was playing 2 or 3 national title contenders every year. KU and MU have yet to have to do that on a consistent basis. KSU may or may not have to do that this time around. Funny you bring up facilities because they were a much bigger issue (and the disparity greater) for KSU in 1989 than 2009.

And, another big fault with the bulk of your comments is you treat other teams taking a step back not being impacted by the team in discussion. Part of the reason KU, MU, etc. took a step back from 1996 through 2003 is because KSU was beating them up badly year in and year out. Part of the reason KSU took a step back is because those roles reversed. Teams control who takes a step forward and back to a degree.



Posted on 3/30 5:36 PM | IP: Logged

KSU's '08 team would have gone 3-4 or 4-3 in conference in the early 90s BIG 8. They would have been killed by OU and NU and CU. They would have beaten MU, OSU, and ISU with ease and the KU game would have been a toss up. The Old Big 8 was top heavy. Plenty of room for upward movement for a mediocre program. Now, every single program has put football as a priority and every single program is struggling for power. IMO, much more competition for KSU now than there was during Snyder's first takeover in Manhattan. There are more than just 2 or 3 conference games.



Posted on 3/30 8:53 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
I was waiting for the "momentum" counter arguement.


See, buylo knows what you're thinking!!! You should beg him to get out of your stream of consciousness and leave you alone before your life is ruined.



Posted on 3/30 11:47 PM | IP: Logged

BFerr,

It's quite obvious buylo has adopted the Bill Snyder scheduling mentality with his battles on the Slant. The clown suit became a permanent uniform very quickly over here. I wish he'd return to the scheduling philosphy of his mentor, Coach Prince, and add us back for the occasional test of what he's got.

I'm desperate to know how Keithen Valentine is developing, when we should expect Lew to can Mangino, how many recruits you recently signed that had written KU offers and how many football games KSU will actually win this year by subtracting three from your guess. Come on, buylo, someone so astute and wise such as yourself can certainly agree that Ron would not consider tucking your tail and taking your ball home in the face of scrutiny and better competition very good leadership qualities.



Posted on 3/31 12:01 AM | IP: Logged

Guess what word BuyHigh failed to spell right AGAIN


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
But, Turin, we both know the initial ARGUEMENT is a goofy one.




Posted on 3/31 12:57 PM | IP: Logged

Kryptonite:Superman::
Argument:BuyHigh



Posted on 3/31 1:11 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
I was waiting for the "momentum" counter arguement. It is a fact that none of us knew what the momentum was in 2002 or 2004 or 2006. That can only be known after the fact. Anything prior is speculation, no matter how educated the speculation might be.

It isn't worth nitpicking over this because you aren't changing my mind and I'm not changing yours. A few quick points:

Sure, there are things different now than there was then that are working against a rebuild now. But, there were things then that didn't exist now. For example, in KSU's 7 conference games each year during the early 90's rebuild, KSU was playing 2 or 3 national title contenders every year. KU and MU have yet to have to do that on a consistent basis. KSU may or may not have to do that this time around. Funny you bring up facilities because they were a much bigger issue (and the disparity greater) for KSU in 1989 than 2009.

And, another big fault with the bulk of your comments is you treat other teams taking a step back not being impacted by the team in discussion. Part of the reason KU, MU, etc. took a step back from 1996 through 2003 is because KSU was beating them up badly year in and year out. Part of the reason KSU took a step back is because those roles reversed. Teams control who takes a step forward and back to a degree.



So...you're allowed to speculate, but if someone counters said speculation you devolve the conversation to how anyone can really "know" anything? I'll admit it is possible that KSU runs the table next year and wins the MNC, but it definitely isn't probable. Yet again I have countered your arguments with reason and you do nothing to refute them, instead you refute what is "knowable". I think this is #1 in the buylo play book: When your argument fails, point out the futility of any argument in predicting the future or resolving subjective arguments.

The fact still remains, that even without complete certainty, one could have made some fairly good guesses about the direction of some of the programs circa '02. The one common theme among them all is that they are marked by coaching changes. Right now in the north you have relatively proven commodities in Mangino and Pinkel who both don't look to be going anywhere soon. Pelini seems to have Nebraska headed in the right direction (whether or not they ascend to their previous dominance remains to be seen), Nebraska will also probably never fall as far as any of the other schools could. Hawkinson is on thin ice in Boulder, but he has recruited relatively well, so a new coach would probably have a lot to work with. Right now I don't think you could make an argument that any of those programs will begin a steep decline anytime soon. KSU also has the added problem of having virtually no young talent. This year looked to be the high water mark for a couple of years, but early departures have cast serious doubt on the ability to become bowl eligible this year. Maybe us ignorant KU fans are just missing something (most of us just learned about the existence of football a couple of years ago), so maybe if Buylo could enlighten us as to why the points being made are wrong (without getting into what sort of knowledge is possible with any certainty) we could learn why your astute speculation about KSU's imminent return to greatness is accurate while ours is wrong.

I know you're an ubergenius who's omniscience is legendary, but if you could enlighten us it would be greatly appreciated. My prediction, however, is Play #2...ignoring this thread from now on.



Posted on 3/31 1:58 PM | IP: Logged

PWNED.



Posted on 3/31 2:54 PM | IP: Logged

I will come back and address this, but it will take time....time I don't have right this moment.

I will add this. This board f****ng sucks. The friendly banter used to be enjoyable. But, a select few seem to enjoy manipulating minutia in to something far bigger than intended.

Again, I'll address your post in the next couple of days.

And, to save posts from the aforementioned posters:

"Translation: waving the white flag"


Nevermind that on almost damn near every thread there are a couple of KU fans agreeing with me or the bias of the crowd here in that they believe everything positive about KU/negative about KSU/MU/etc. and the vice versa.



Posted on 3/31 3:51 PM | IP: Logged

Yeah buylo, you and your purple brethren are soooooooo different. Real nice discussion over on GPC it relates to KU. Give me a break

And you live off minutia in arguEments. Oh geez, look what I just did. I went and proved your point. Shucks!



Posted on 3/31 4:01 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
I will come back and address this, but it will take time....time I don't have right this moment.

I will add this. This board f****ng sucks. The friendly banter used to be enjoyable. But, a select few seem to enjoy manipulating minutia in to something far bigger than intended.

Again, I'll address your post in the next couple of days.

And, to save posts from the aforementioned posters:

"Translation: waving the white flag"


Nevermind that on almost damn near every thread there are a couple of KU fans agreeing with me or the bias of the crowd here in that they believe everything positive about KU/negative about KSU/MU/etc. and the vice versa.



People are only agreeing with you on minor points. Your threads last winter that the KSU and KU roster were basically equal are what brought on this thread and nobody on this board has agreed with you on that key point.

If you want to play the homer card I can tell you there are plenty of good KSU posters who realize Prince recruited you into a hole. They are largely on the Scout network because they got tired of Fitzgerald's blatant homerism. Nonetheless they acknowledge that Snyder has a two or three year rebuilding project ahead of him. You were convinced last winter that Prince's recruiting had been good and KU and KSU were on equal footing. That is the difference between You and a rational poster.



Posted on 3/31 4:19 PM | IP: Logged

BuyHighSellLo- Don't blame this board for your problems. Blame Keithen Valentine for not winning the Heisman, Mangino for not being the next Jim Wooldridge, Carson Coffman for having a noodle arm, Ron Prince for fooling you into thinking he had any leadership qualities whatsoever, Mangino for not getting canned (thank your sources for that one), your spelling teacher for failing miserably and yourself for being a complete MUNSON!!!!

You'll never solve your problems if you don't direct your anger at the
actual source



Posted on 3/31 4:47 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
I will come back and address this, but it will take time....time I don't have right this moment.

I will add this. This board f****ng sucks. The friendly banter used to be enjoyable. But, a select few seem to enjoy manipulating minutia in to something far bigger than intended.

Again, I'll address your post in the next couple of days.

And, to save posts from the aforementioned posters:

"Translation: waving the white flag"


Nevermind that on almost damn near every thread there are a couple of KU fans agreeing with me or the bias of the crowd here in that they believe everything positive about KU/negative about KSU/MU/etc. and the vice versa.

As bad as this board may get, it's not 1/10th as bad as gopowercat.com's catchat. Most of the people you are arguing with at least have the class to do it civilly. Bferr and Hearsh seem to be the exceptions, but if you haven't figured it out yet they're trying to get under your skin. That's what they do. GPC.com has been inheriting more and more of the KSUFANS.com crowd every year. Over here we pretty much ignore the main board other than the occasional thread, everybody posts on the premium boards, and our ADMINS stay out of any sh!t flinging contests, which I am very thankful for. Anyways, don't get upset buylo. I still think you're a good guy, especially because you offered to help after the incident with my sister in law two years ago.



Posted on 3/31 6:54 PM | IP: Logged

In no way am I comparing this to GPC. But, it isn't as different as many are making it out to be. The biggest difference is 90% of the posters here are blind KU homers vs. 90% on GPC being KSU homers. Outside of that, there isn't a ton of difference.

My sentiments were comparing this board today vs. this board a year or two ago. The civil and constructive discourse is nearly extinct and the hate-inspired mean-spirited group seems to be growing. Not a huge deal, but the aspect of this board that was appealing (discussion, the occasional arguement, rivalry stuff, etc.) has almost completely been replaced. And, IMO, it isn't for the good. One of the appealing aspects to this forum, for me anyway, was its former state.



Posted on 3/31 7:23 PM | IP: Logged

What makes you think I don't think KSU has a 3-year building process ahead of itself?

My only statement is that there wasn't a huge talent discrepency on the field last fall. I still believe that. Many KSU people do. Many neutral people do. Many neutral people don't. We won't ever know. I think my stance will be validated if the game this fall is competitive as there wasn't a huge overhaul to either roster. I guess we'll have a better idea this fall.

I have stated on here and many times on GPC's premium site that KSU has a numbers mess for 3 years. That is a different issue than the 11 guys lining up against each other playing. If you want to mince the two, then I agree it is a poor arguement. But, IMO, those are two different things that overlap to a small degree.



Posted on 3/31 7:44 PM | IP: Logged

I'm not blaming this board for problems.

I will blame you for having the most tired schtick since Nickelback's 5th album mated with the offspring of the Wayans Brothers and Celebrity Apprentice 2.



Posted on 3/31 7:53 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
I'm not blaming this board for problems.

I will blame you for having the most tired schtick since Nickelback's 5th album mated with the offspring of the Wayans Brothers and Celebrity Apprentice 2.

Who are you replying to?



Posted on 3/31 8:00 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by Turinturumbar:




Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:
I'm not blaming this board for problems.

I will blame you for having the most tired schtick since Nickelback's 5th album mated with the offspring of the Wayans Brothers and Celebrity Apprentice 2.



Who are you replying to?



BFerr



Posted on 3/31 8:05 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by BuyLoSellHiCat:

Originally posted by bluechipp:
It's not impossible for K-State to climb out of the cellar but, it will probably be five years before they compete for recruits with KU and seven years before they compete on the field.


You guys are comical. It doesn't take that long to "compete for recruits" nor does it necessarily take nearly that long before "they compete on the field". Have you not paid any attention to what has happened over the last few years?



This?

This?

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Posted on 3/31 9:50 PM | IP: Logged

BuyHighSellLo- I find it very ironic that you're calling us "homers". Every stupid prediction you've made on here is based off the fact that you're one of the biggest KSU homers around. You showed blind faith in Coach Prince, your RB situation last year, your talent level compared to KU, etc.. Yet were all homers? I remember you coming on here laughing it up about us losing Boyd-Anderson and Bean (our 4th and 5th string RB's) last year. When we questioned you about your RB situation you raved about Valentine and said we were pretty much in the same boat RB wise. Really? We had a guy returning that almost rushed for 1,000 yds as a backup. We also had a guy that was JUCO player of the year coming in. You had a walk-on that was "tearing it up" in practice and a WR that was hopefully going to make the transition back to RB. Yet your blind faith in KSU and Ron Prince led you to believe everything would be alright for your Cats and things wouldn't turn out so well for KU. I believe Sharp ended up 2nd in the Big XII in rushing during conference play. Where was Valentine at on that list?

Whenever the crap you spew turns out be wrong it isn't worth discussing and makes the board not as fun anymore? I know you like to pat yourself on the back when you're right, the only problem is it doesn't happen very much. Learn to deal with losing, you are a KSU fan so you should have years of practice by now.

How am I tired? Your whole gig is to alert us when there is a negative story regarding KU or when you get overly excited about your Cats. You come on here beating your chest only to get laughed at and made a fool out of. For example during the end of recruiting when Snyder was getting heavy interest from all those guys KU was offering. Remember that list you had that included baseball player Tanner Poppe? Way to prove your point.

You come on here and try to act like an objective fan, but over time the purple bleeds out and you look closer and closer to some of the special members over there at GPC. WildcatDad, Fitz and gr82baCAT come to mind. I just think you need to be comfortable in your own skin and not try to be someone you aren't.

This post was edited on 4/2 2:19 PM by BFerr



Posted on 4/2 2:15 PM | IP: Logged

Amen brother! You just summed up kittykat nation.



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